Richie Hawtin: About Minimal Art

20 Aug 2007 Category: Events & Exhibitions, Features, Film / Animation, Music, Worldwide

Richie Hawtin: About Minimal Art

Minimal art for cover artwork: "Cubes" painting by artist Matthew Hawtin, brother of DJ and producer Richie Hawtin, founder of Berlin-based minimal techno label Minus.

With Metamorphose, Japan’s biggest outdoor rave, coming up this weekend (in a bicycle amusement park in Shizuoka including roller coasters!), we have one of the main DJs, Richie Hawtin, flying in. If you’re into techno, there is no need to introduce the it boy of minimal from Windsor, Ontario, also known as Plastikman. Since starting his Plus 8 label, he continues to spin with Minus from his headquarters in Berlin, home for acts like Magda, Troy Pierce, Mathew Johnson, Hearthrob, Matthew Dear, and many more. PingMag talked with Richie - no, not about electronic music - but about minimal art and his audiovisual concept of a label’s artwork.

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Min2Max compilation Minus40, CD front cover: Variations of a vertical step system…

Min2Max, LP back cover art.

Min2Max vinyl label, front side with a track from Wink.

…resembling a musical square wave: Min2Max vinyl label with tracks from Gaiser and Troy Pierce.

For Minus, you have quite coherent cover artwork. So, do you do all of the concepts of the visual output yourself?

With my first label Plus 8 as well as with Minus, a lot of the conceptual ideas for the look and feel of the labels start with me, including the logo designs that were either made by me, my friends or my brother Matthew Hawtin. It’s very important that there is a cohesive theme running throughout, a connection with the overall conceptual idea of the label and the ideas behind it.

More cube studies from Matthew Hawtin as shown at his exhibition at Berlin’s Circleculture Gallery in 2006.

I find it visualising very closely the kind of electronic music you release…

You can call it minimal or something else: For us, the music is stripped down, has a certain balance and weight to it. Of course, the artwork tries to give people an idea, a sense of the music and give a certain artist their look and feel.

Studies in minimalist repetitions - Plastikman a.k.a. Richie Hawtin: “Psyk” from 2001, clip by Ali M. Demirel.

Which leads me to your influences: Who’s your favourite artist?

My inspiration comes more from the New York School of the 40s, 50s and 60s; people like Rothko, Sol LeWitt, Donald Judd, and especially John McCracken and this kind of Californian school. Nowadays, I’m a big fan of Richard Serra and of Indian-born British artist Anish Kapoor: I think he is one of the most important living artists who is working with sculpture - very organic, very balanced. And definitely, I’m a lot inspired by my brother Matthew, also an artist, who introduced me to many types of art like installation and performance art, such as Bill Viola. We’re all involved in a similar realm of communication, finding a way to communicate an artistic idea, a concept, a feeling to a public - be it musical, sculptural or through painting.


Vinyl label front side for Niederflur’s DIN track (Minus:ND5)

Vinyl label back side for Niederflur’s DIN track (Minus:ND5)

Minus55: False’s a.k.a. Matthew Dear’s recent “Fed On Youth” release, front side.

Minus55: back side.

… as if the modules of a musical composition generated with software would visualise as shapes or organic forms…

True. A lot of what we do with Minus stems from my kind of experiments with sounds, like what I did with the Plastikman albums. When working with sound, and as my songs don’t contain too much information, I kind of visualise them and place them in a three-dimensional space. For me, to fully understand how these sounds interact physically or in these virtual spaces is to go and see another artist’s representation: standing in front of a Rothko or walking around a sculpture of Serra, go towards his huge pieces of metal and get the weight of the situation. That enables me sometimes to formulate a musical idea. It’s a way connecting to our sonic expression…


Minus anniversary party flyer, front side, Berlin 2007.

You’ve always been very strong in your visual output, as can be seen in the music clips for Plastikman made by director Ali Demirel. Also, the Minus cover art as well as your brother’s works reminded me a bit of Kazimir Malevich’s painting with his reduced basic forms. See, for example, his Black Square consisting of cubic forms…

With the label artwork, we’ve gone through phases of different simple forms: from the early days of circular, fluid forms to the cubic movement now. The cube is interesting with its idea of the edge, having definite edges and definite black and white areas. It’s also interesting to explore where those edges meet: Sometimes that’s where some of our artists get more and more into it, getting more in tune with their machines or with the way they work. Now this is becoming closer to the exploration of a real balance, the boundaries between the two.

From Richie Hawtin’s alter ego Plastikman: “Disconnect” (2003). Trippy video by Ali M. Demirel. © Mute

The cube’s edges create sort of a dynamic…

Yes, it’s a counter balance: the push and pull between two opposing forces.

…as can be seen on several of your covers. Take the “Beatstreet” afterhour flyer with its black and white areas, for example: How did that idea evolve?


Flyer for Minus artists at the Beatstreet afterhour venue in Berlin, 2006.

You know, the label is a continuum, a work in process. I try to come up with a certain theme each year and use that whole year to explore it and eventually come up with something for the next: We had cubes, we had a vertical step system which was kind of an interpretation of a musical square wave. Also, we had straight horizontal lines which we are kind of exploring this year… There was a starting point even in the very beginning of the first label, Plus 8, and then we started with Minus with the actual cube. I’ve gone with it and explored different angles and perspectives and where it can take us.

And you’re obviously also into experimental film! Two years ago, on your DE9: Transitions DVD version you paid homage to Russian director Andrei Tarkovksy with a special music clip called “The Tunnel.” What was that about?

To be honest, I have to give credit to Ali Demirel doing the visuals. He was and still is the first person I met that really understands my music in its own visual context. I give him something and he responds in a way that I could have responded myself. It was his idea to use Tarkovsky’s Stalker movie and deconstruct it in a visual way as I would deconstruct the music to recreate the DE9 thing. He wanted a remix of something that everybody knows. That’s where the visual for “The Tunnel” came from.

Richie Hawtin’s “DE9: Transitions” remix work served as homage to Russian director Andrei Tarkovksy, visually deconstructed by Ali M. Demirel: “The Tunnel” from 2005. © Minus

Otherwise, who is doing all of your visuals when you’re DJing or playing a live set?

Actually, Ali is doing all the moving visuals for my live performances, as with most of my releases. He will be with me at Metamorphose festival this weekend…


Minimalist Minus33: Richie Hawtin’s “The Tunnel”…

…and its variation with Minus39: remixes of Troy Pierce’s hit “25 Bitches.”

Is there something new you want to try regarding Minus and its artful output?

We’re still working in cover format with CDs and vinyl. But instead of this static physical format, I’m much more interested in the future of having more dynamic either web-based or personal video-based moving visuals that correspond to the music we’re creating. I have a huge love for vinyl and covers, but I want to explore how we can greater the experience and bring people further into our concept.


Processing, once again - here as stills! Richie Hawtin’s sets go…

…with visuals by Meta-Control (Ali M. Demirel & Burak Arikan).

So podcasts were just the start?

It was a good way to give these kind of blipverts a new release. The next level would be not just a promotional video: Being not just part of it but explaining the release and becoming part of the whole thematic presentation…

… as an audiovisual experience. Thank you, Richie Hawtin! Looking very much forward seeing your DJ set with Ali’s visuals at Metamorphose this Saturday!

That’s what you’ll get to see if you go to Metamorphose: visuals for Richie Hawtin’s DJ set at Tokyo’s Club Phazon by Meta-Control (Ali M. Demirel & Burak Arikan).

Now, hurry up and grab tix before it’s too late!

Metamorphose Festival
With Richie Hawtin, Audion, Model500, Lindstrom, Mad Professor & Joe Ariwa and Sebastian Leger amongst others.
Saturday, August 25th: Doors 4.30pm. Start from 6pm.
Finish: 9am.
At Izu, Shizuoka, Japan. Map.
Entrance: 10,500 Yen (advance)/12,000 Yen.

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  3. Lovely less is more, the minimal is still going.
    It’s truly beautiful in architecture and product design, or art that act as a symbolic of some meaning, in my idea.But some image here is not impress me.

    Posted by: LINE on August 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pm

  4. “We’re still working in cover format with CDs and vinyl. But instead of this static physical format, I’m much more interested in the future of having more dynamic either web-based or personal video-based moving visuals that correspond to the music we’re creating. I have a huge love for vinyl and covers, but I want to explore how we can greater the experience and bring people further into our concept.”

    He means what Force Inc. was doing four years ago! Which I mean in a rather playful way as I’ve always really respected M_nus for their attention to packaging and branding. I actually wrote a essay on the concept records for the mid 90’s which is largely about the records as design objects. It also talks about the Studio 1 records by Mike Ink.

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    Posted by: Greg J. Smith on August 20th, 2007 at 10:06 pm

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  6. I’m not a fan. It get the concept and it it’s intresting, but no offense to the artist, it’s a less is less.

    Posted by: glyph on August 21st, 2007 at 2:20 am

  7. Richie you always be the first,
    your music still inspires me even though i miss your cubicle look eheh

    keep it up for all of us surviving with only 01001101101100011

    Posted by: Arnaud on August 21st, 2007 at 2:23 am

  8. Great!

    Posted by: Maxomat on August 21st, 2007 at 2:57 am

  9. great interview! all the graphics and talk about their role is nice to see rather than just the focus on Richie and Minus blah blah scene …. mnml this and that … we know it’s huge, the music is c00l etc ….

    good job

    Posted by: ChrisFizik on August 21st, 2007 at 10:12 am

  10. I don’t find the design attractive. I like simplicity, but this is like looking unfinished design. The concepts is really hard to understand, except for the artist.

    Less is more is great, but there is nothing wrong with having more.

    Posted by: ncus on August 21st, 2007 at 11:07 am

  11. I think similar as ‘ncus’ does above,.. I like minimalism, I like ’simplicity’ and functionalism, but i like them when they are precise… less is more,- thanks mies van der rohe, - but simple is diferent from ”too-simple” or definitively poor (in spanish: simplón).
    Im not desqualifing the work by the presented artists,.. each one evaluates according to its own concepts.

    Posted by: Be. on August 21st, 2007 at 1:37 pm

  12. Y ya que algunos se dan licencia para escribir en alemán, hindú, y vaya a saber uno que,.. me permito escribir en Español, para todos aquellos que lo comparten: ‘y no es lo mismo simple que simplón!’
    …Yo amo a Pingmag!!

    Posted by: Be. on August 21st, 2007 at 1:40 pm

  13. I love, love well done minimalism, but this looks more like freshman graphic arts work. Sorry to be negative, but the execution is just poor. For a good example of this style: World’s Minimum Dog by Ten do Ten.

    Posted by: Graham on August 21st, 2007 at 1:51 pm

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  19. All looks good to me - and wish I was coming to Japan for Matamorphose, as originally planned. Is Ali going to be visualising at the Cocoon M-Nus night, or at The End? That’s the question…

    Posted by: Mr Clubman on August 24th, 2007 at 3:09 am

  20. As mentioned, great interview as it does not hype the minimal scene, but focuses on the art and concept.

    Perhaps: Art demands something of its audience, which is a demand we place on art. ‘Minimal’ directly engages this demand. The ‘common’ response to minimal here in North America is like that common act of hitting an elevator button a million times - what does it want?!

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  23. Excellent article, i’m a massive fan of minus and their artwork but didn’t realise richie was as observant of the visual side of minimalism, adds a new dimension to the music for me.
    Thanks

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